***** Archive Page 2 ***** This is the archive board for the Tons of Kids Forum. This board is for viewing purposes only - posting has been disabled. To respond to messages or post a new thread, please join us on the Current Board **Go to** Site Home Page Main Forum Mega Families Forum Member Mini-Profiles You are not logged in. Please log in or create an account. *User Colors* Registered, Guest, Staff.   [ Help ] [ Rules of Play ] [ Current Board ] [ Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] [ Post ] Total Messages = 806 Last entry posted on: 11/09/2008 16:30:16 CST 60. Good news of support on prop 8 - gelsum 11/08/2008 20:18:24 CST (1) Now, am I wrong in thinking the LDS is not a non-profit therefor it could get politically involved? I'm asking because it seems like there's a difference between saying "the Church's support" and "Mormon voters". (nt) - zookeeper 11/08/2008 21:12:47 CST (3) Yes it's non-profit but I'm not sure I understand your question. (nt) - carlymac 11/08/2008 21:56:42 CST (1) OK re-thnking this. - carlymac 11/08/2008 22:02:56 CST (0) A non-profit cannot support a particular candidate, but may support a particular piece of legislation. - Kanga 11/08/2008 23:39:19 CST (1) Thanks. This is the clarification I was looking for. (nt) - zoounlogged 11/09/2008 16:30:16 CST (0) I just thought it was great that someone else stood up publicly for it, instead of sitting back and letting someone else take the brunt of the difficulties alone. (nt) - gelsum- 11/09/2008 00:00:22 CST (0) 59. Anyone else feel like everyone is constantly trying to nickel and dime you? - zookeeper 11/07/2008 15:42:20 CST (1) well, I think they do that because most people just pay w/o realizing or just pay because they don't have the energy to fight it - good luck!! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 17:30:57 CST (0) 58. Gay threats target Christians over marriage ban - leenieseven 11/07/2008 12:08:39 CST (5) Wow. And this helps make their case how? They are trying to not feel like outcasts, by becoming sociopaths?? Does that make sense? I mean, let's think about Matthew Shepard for a moment. Violence either way is detestable and uncalled for. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 12:18:14 CST (0) frightening and sad - reminds me of Paul in the NT - persecution led to revival - praying that's what happens! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 12:32:14 CST (0) Hopefully this confirms why that vote was so important. Redefining marriage is extremely radical and so are many of the supporters. Be careful who you talk to about it! (nt) - YankeeMom 11/07/2008 12:45:38 CST (0) That is horrible, and there are protestors going to SLC too. I hope this doesn't make any missionaries of any faith easy targets. That said I am of the mind to say the squeaky wheel ... - Ranae 11/07/2008 16:23:49 CST (0) Very bizarre. I just don't get it. Why are they protesting NOW? It's not going to change the results of the vote. Sore losers if you ask me. - carlymac 11/07/2008 22:48:27 CST (0) 57. A friend sent this to me, and I wanted to pass it along- - zookeeper 11/07/2008 10:03:44 CST (2) ITA! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/07/2008 12:30:25 CST (0) LOL....re: regardless of whether or not elephants or donkeys are running the circus. I totally agree with the sentiment too. (nt) - Denise1066 11/07/2008 19:04:12 CST (0) 56. Favorite toys for a 1yo? Ideas?. - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:57:05 CST (4) Some ideas... - Christine 11/07/2008 10:04:55 CST (1) We have the version of that from a couple years ago...she does like it... battery sucker that it is. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 11:07:23 CST (0) My 14mo likes play dishes and food. Granted she mostly bangs them and chews them but it occupies her. She's also a big fan of the dustpan. Maybe a little set? (nt) - joyofsix 11/07/2008 11:33:16 CST (0) I saw something that absoultely cracked me up last night >> - carolunlog 11/07/2008 12:33:18 CST (0) My 17 month old LOVES dolls & animals that sing or play music (m) - Denise1066 11/07/2008 19:13:31 CST (0) 55. I'm not sure whether to cry, scream, or just give up.... - FrankieG 11/07/2008 09:20:04 CST (6) OH and I need to wash my clothes still to fly out at 7:00 AM tomorrow! (nt) - FrankieG 11/07/2008 09:26:02 CST (0) That's actually not a bad idea- but it's concentrated so you would need a lot of rags so you're not oversoaping the loads. Can you just use something to scoop it all back up and into the bottle or a masonry jar? That's what I would try. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:48:53 CST (1) what about using dirty socks instead of rags, in case you don't have enough rags. Just throw a soap covered sock in each load. (nt) - Christine 11/07/2008 09:53:07 CST (0) I like your cleaning rag idea. I have had that happen more than once and I can tell you that (m) - Christine 11/07/2008 09:51:54 CST (0) I'd do the mop up but in a pinch I've washed out clothes with grated bar soap. (nt) - joyofsix 11/07/2008 11:35:01 CST (0) that stinks! (well, probably smells great, but you know what I mean!) I would go w/ socks too - good luck! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 11:52:08 CST (0) I'm coming in a bit late and I'm sure you have it cleaned up by now but I wanted to say, if it would help, I make my laundry soap and it literally costs pennies for 2 gallons of soap. If you want the recipe let me know. (nt) - wildrose 11/09/2008 07:41:04 CST (0) 54. Calling all Michigan TOK moms! I'm coming to Michigan this month and have been emailing with Jenn about meeting up. I'd love to meet with as many of you as possible. Jenn can forward our emails:) (nt) - ckmom 11/07/2008 08:56:08 CST (1) Hey, if there are more of you than the ones who've already been e-mailed, please let me know! (m) - Nosewiper 11/07/2008 12:05:43 CST (0) 53. Could you guys please pray for my friend Elaina? (m) - Nosewiper 11/07/2008 07:53:37 CST (6) so sorry (nt) - Christine 11/07/2008 09:54:14 CST (0) Wow, Jenn, that's awful. I hope she finds a doctor that can help her. (nt) - ckmom 11/07/2008 09:54:46 CST (0) That is awful for anyone to endure. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 10:00:01 CST (0) that's awful - praying for comfort, healing, and wisdom for her drs! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 11:50:41 CST (0) Praying that the Dr's come up with an answer soon. (nt) - Denise1066 11/07/2008 18:54:42 CST (0) . (nt) - karin 11/07/2008 23:24:03 CST (0) 52. Oh (four letter word)... - carlymac 11/07/2008 07:39:21 CST (3) Ick! (nt) - leenieseven 11/07/2008 07:49:02 CST (1) Ya- especially cause we didn't get our leaves bagged up. I hope this isn't the same snow that will still be on the ground in April. That's not a stretch in MN. (nt) - carlymac 11/07/2008 07:52:04 CST (0) . (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:50:56 CST (0) ughhh! - (70s here today - supposed to get chilly again next week) I'm getting too old for snow! lol (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 11:53:51 CST (0) 51. Do you ever get used to so much going on all the time... - debjzunlogged 11/06/2008 22:53:01 CST (5) HOG rides? That sounds fun! Kinda smelly though. - carlymac 11/06/2008 23:11:45 CST (0) Yes, you will eventually get used to all of the demands on your time. And then, just when you are finally in your "groove", (m) - kpmomof7 11/07/2008 01:16:30 CST (0) I think what works for each family is different. Some thrive on chaos, some need order (m) - joyofsix 11/07/2008 05:29:32 CST (0) No. Oh, wait...you wanted a light-at-the-end sort of thing. Um, well...(m) - Nosewiper 11/07/2008 06:18:11 CST (0) Some day, I will be bored. Some day. Not anytime soon. Until then, no rest for the weary. But who wants to be bored anyways?! (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:52:41 CST (0) 50. Wanna hear something FUNNY??? You all call me a "moderator" and yet I honestly, cross-my-heart, didn't even NOTICE that mess in the #4 mudpit until just now! AAAUGHHH!!! (But hey, whatever boosts the ratings...LOL!) (nt) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 19:59:47 CST (1) There was no mess. I had it all under control. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/08/2008 09:05:18 CST (1) Of course you did, Kristin....would you like this ice pack when I'm done? LOL! Seriously, Jenn...I don't think anyone crossed any lines or anything. We're all still friends, right ladies? (nt) - karin 11/08/2008 23:33:41 CST (0) 49. Yep, if the view is great, you get a higher appraisal of property and that can affect your property tax. That is around here anyway. (nt) - gelsum- 11/06/2008 19:56:29 CST (1) OH, great! lol this went down there somewhere and I don't know how it got here! lol (nt) - gelsum- 11/06/2008 19:57:36 CST (1) I know how. New mommy brain or old lady brain (mine) (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 22:54:03 CST (0) 48. Jenn, I'm coming to Michigan this month and will be meeting up w/ an LOK mom. Just wondering if you had any of those get togethers you sometimes have planned anytime soon. I'd love to meet some TOK moms too. (nt) - ckmom 11/06/2008 19:14:02 CST (1) OOOeeehhhh!!! That'd be WONDERFUL! E-mail me, willya??? (m) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 20:01:17 CST (1) done! (nt) - ckmom 11/06/2008 20:39:21 CST (0) 47. For everyone who responded to/was interested in the abortion issue discussed below, especially with respect to what the pro-life movement should be doing to help, PLEASE take the time to listen to this teleseminar!! >>> - Kendra 11/06/2008 17:49:14 CST (0) 46. nothing to say, just wanted to see it change to 700 posts! lol (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/06/2008 15:57:39 CST (1) 704!! (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 18:40:25 CST (0) 45. Can we talk refrigerators? >>> - Kendra 11/06/2008 11:03:13 CST (3) We have a Samsung. Side by side. Love that it's wide and deep despite being side by side,and the fridge and refrigerator units have separate compressor units. (nt) - zookeeper 11/06/2008 11:16:11 CST (0) You've seen mine...it's an Amana with the freezer on the bottom.... - shel 11/06/2008 11:38:46 CST (0) I think all refrigerators are dumb. The main thing I'd check, if I were shopping, is how many stupid little plastic parts were likely to break and stay broken, because they're too expensive to fix...(m) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 15:04:23 CST (0) 44. Governor's Remarks - leenieseven 11/06/2008 08:23:52 CST (1) I will be glad for the day we can vote in a new Governor.. - sheri8 11/06/2008 09:31:16 CST (1) I heard on the radio this morning that he's meeting with Obama soon (nt) - leenieseven 11/06/2008 10:46:44 CST (0) 43. Does anyone own a carpet cleaner? - zookeeper 11/05/2008 21:49:03 CST (5) Oh, GOOOOOOOOD luck! If some American company wanted to make some money, here's a chance...(m) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 06:30:57 CST (1) I was sitting here wracking my brain trying to think of "Royal".... - cowmomba 11/06/2008 06:59:42 CST (0) I have the bissel linked below (m) - joyofsix 11/06/2008 07:06:52 CST (0) maybe for the dining area you could get some of that clear plastic that they put under desk. I also had a bissel and loved it now we live in a carpet free house. (nt) - karan 11/06/2008 07:26:06 CST (0) We have a Rug Doctor and love it... - Karenmomofthree 11/06/2008 08:51:36 CST (0) This is what I have: - Kendra 11/06/2008 11:11:48 CST (0) 42. Sounds like everyone is really tired of all these issues. Not looking for a debate but I'd love to know if anyone has the same thoughts I do about the racial thing. - carlymac 11/05/2008 16:43:19 CST (6) From the Native American point I totally agree! Our government had committed genicide to rival the Natzis against them .nt - dis5girls 11/05/2008 17:56:10 CST (1) . (nt) - Christine 11/06/2008 16:20:49 CST (0) The reason it's a momentous event is because it's never happened before. (m) - kateunlogged 11/05/2008 20:27:51 CST (1) That's a good explanation Kate. I'm sure I'm just a little removed from it emotionally... - carlymac 11/06/2008 07:48:15 CST (0) One of the things I thought about too was . . . (m) - wildrose 11/05/2008 23:00:30 CST (1) You live in ND don't you? - carlymac 11/06/2008 08:11:39 CST (1) We also have many people from Bosnia . ..(m) - wildrose 11/06/2008 10:51:59 CST (0) Having grown up in the south, I saw prejudice. - Ranae 11/06/2008 06:04:05 CST (1) See, this is stuff we just don't see here in this part of MN. - carlymac 11/06/2008 08:24:06 CST (0) There are different views of prejudice in different areas of the country. - Unlog 11/06/2008 08:06:04 CST (3) Wow, I had no idea some of that was going on in colleges. - carlymac 11/06/2008 08:34:41 CST (0) I certainly don't mean to imply that everything is great, we've reached the promised land, and no other change is needed in anyone's attitude - because this is certainly not true, but one only needs to watch "Life on Mars" to see how remarkably far we've come in our lifetimes. as you said, hopefully>> - nancys6kids1dog 11/06/2008 08:48:38 CST (0) I saw much of this growing up...."Blacks who work hard in school are derided by other blacks as 'trying to be white.' " (nt) - gelsum- 11/07/2008 13:59:13 CST (0) I think the more people focus on him being our "black" President and not just our President, the more credibility we give to racism. - zookeeper 11/06/2008 08:56:23 CST (1) It is interesting the significance that people place on certain words. - Unlog 11/06/2008 10:07:46 CST (1) If you read my post about this earlier in the week, you will see that the word "negro" was used in a derogatory way by the child- there is no doubt about it. (nt) - zookeeper 11/06/2008 10:19:20 CST (0) 41. The clouds are brooding low over the mountains today... - gelsum 11/05/2008 15:53:08 CST (6) Ahhhh! Hello Baby! Smooches from your Auntie. - carlymac 11/05/2008 16:06:39 CST (0) Awww, what a sweet little thing! (nt) - shel 11/05/2008 16:07:53 CST (0) so pretty, and AWWW!!! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 20:02:21 CST (0) Beautiful (both the view & the baby)! (nt) - kateunlogged 11/05/2008 20:28:34 CST (0) Gorgeous! (nt) - karin 11/05/2008 23:32:40 CST (0) Wow, that's quite a view! Do you have to pay taxes on it? And such a SWEET baby, too. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/06/2008 08:07:43 CST (1) When the house was appraised, the view was actually considered, "average". LOL Nothing special about it at all I guess! It is what we see from our front door (besides the neighbors) (nt) - gelsum 11/06/2008 11:43:41 CST (2) Looks like "home" to me! (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 11:45:56 CST (0) That's great. Around here people get a pretty hefty "view" tax. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/06/2008 15:07:27 CST (1) How can they tax the view? That's strange. Do you mean a good view can raise the value of the home? (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 19:37:32 CST (1) Yep. Happens a lot with properties near water. Even if you're not ON the water, if you have the tiniest sliver of a view from one window, you can get taxed for having property that's more valuable. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:50:09 CST (0) 40. 7 days from now, Joshua will be in surgery, and I am really nervous about this one. (m) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 12:33:26 CST (14) You have every right to be weepy -- you are his mother. Many prayers for him, especially that he comes out of it delivered from his pain and, yes, that miracle of walking again. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 12:38:53 CST (1) Thanks, Kristin. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:32:09 CST (0) Kate (m) - melsmunchkins 11/05/2008 12:52:50 CST (1) Thanks so much, Melanie. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:32:33 CST (0) Kate - I really hope and pray that the best outcome is achieved - I don't know how you do it - of course you've got a million thoughts and yet have to be bright for Joshua and the other kids - prayers for you too. (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 13:08:05 CST (1) Thanks, Nancy. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:33:03 CST (0) Kate I didn't get a chance to reply to your other messages - msjennbug 11/05/2008 13:12:47 CST (1) Thanks a lot, Jenn. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:33:28 CST (0) Kate, we have been praying and will continue to pray. Everything WILL be okay - it's in God's hands. So many ((HUGS)) coming your way. (nt) - Kendra 11/05/2008 14:22:02 CST (1) Thanks, Kendra. I appreciate it! (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:34:34 CST (0) (((Kate))) it's totally understandable that you feel the way you do.......... - shel 11/05/2008 16:07:17 CST (1) Thank you very much, Shel! (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:35:04 CST (0) Ditto to all of the above! May God be with the surgeon, Joshua, you and your family. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 16:12:13 CST (1) Thanks, Carol. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:35:24 CST (0) Prayers are with you and Joshua... - debjzunlogged 11/05/2008 16:56:23 CST (1) Good questions, Deb. Here are the answers I know as of today. (m) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:30:13 CST (0) All I can offer is prayers. I wish I could offer more than that and a hug. (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 18:53:24 CST (1) Prayers are all I'm asking for, Lisa, and they're enough. Thank you so much!!! (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 20:30:04 CST (0) How can you not be weepy, you made me cry! I am praying for all those graces that you and Joshua and the doctors need. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 20:18:04 CST (1) Thank you so very much, Stacey! (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 20:30:27 CST (0) Kate, my kids and I have been praying, and will continue to pray. - karin 11/05/2008 21:22:29 CST (1) Thank you so much for praying, Karin. I appreciate it! (nt) - kpmomof7 11/07/2008 15:02:37 CST (0) Kate, you have every reason to be scared, weepy and raw. It would be weird if your weren't. Lots of prayers for Joshua, you, the family and the surgeon. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/05/2008 23:52:21 CST (1) Thank you. I appreciate the understanding. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/06/2008 20:11:32 CST (0) Just adding my belated hugs and prayers, Kate...so sorry that you guys have to go through this so often!!! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 06:32:24 CST (1) Thanks Jenn. Is it too whiny-sounding to say, "Me, too!"??? :-) (nt) - kpmomof7 11/06/2008 20:12:09 CST (1) "Too whiny" is defined by the relative misery of the circumstances when compared with those of others to whom you're whining. I'd say you're more than entitled! Praying for a miracle for Joshua; grace for all of you. Have a great weekend together!!! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/08/2008 07:24:15 CST (0) Kate, that is just an incredible amount to deal with and I think you are handling it extremely well, I'm praying hard for your family! (nt) - Veronica 11/07/2008 08:10:26 CST (1) Thank you so much, Veronica. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/07/2008 15:03:06 CST (0) 39. Regarding the great abortion debate we are still having--IMO, anyone who believes that abortion should be outlawed should be in the front line volunteering--to do foster care, adopt, be a mentor to parents that need it, etc. (m) - PaulaK 11/05/2008 12:02:04 CST (9) Well, following that reasoning . . . - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 12:29:45 CST (1) Not neccesarily although I get your point. I can believe in a strong, national defense, but I don't need to enlist. - Ranae 11/05/2008 13:32:54 CST (0) we have most of that - I guess I'm still amazed at the disparity between states - my neighbor teaches child development, prenatal care, child care to the >> - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 13:00:54 CST (1) Again, I think these programs...... - luvinmylife 11/05/2008 15:18:18 CST (0) I plan on it. When Eric hits kindergarten, I do want to be able to start doing foster care, and if led, adopt. Also - Ranae 11/05/2008 13:29:01 CST (3) Parking here with Renae....plan on fostering and/or adopting...preferably sibling groups (nt) - FrankieG 11/05/2008 14:08:04 CST (0) I've always wanted to foster and/or adopt siblings, but after seeing what other families have gone through.... - shel 11/05/2008 16:22:20 CST (1) I understand that, but I can always say no. While I would want to help the child, my own family comes first. Also that is why - Ranae 11/05/2008 22:04:55 CST (0) As an adoptive mother of children out of foster care I have to say - karan 11/05/2008 17:29:43 CST (0) Although I agree with what Kristin said, I'd also point out.....m - luvinmylife 11/05/2008 15:11:25 CST (1) I agree, Claire -- I did not want to explain AGAIN how active the pro-life community is in helping born children. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 17:46:52 CST (0) We'd love to foster and/or adopt, but our house isn't big enough for the state to allow us to foster & we don't make enough money to be allowed to adopt. The system makes it difficult for many who would like to adopt, unfortunately. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 17:37:20 CST (0) I agree, and sometimes it can be the the simplest things that make a big difference. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 20:32:07 CST (0) I'd like to know what figures and facts you have to show that most of the efforts of the pro-life movement are directed at outlawing abortion rather than addressing the reasons women have for wanting abortions. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 01:13:04 CST (2) I don't know if there are statistics, but I'm sure you could give personal examples to the contrary. Would it be fair to use the NRLC as an example, since that's the most widely known? - zookeeper 11/06/2008 10:16:55 CST (1) No, I don't think it would be fair, because I don't define the pro-life movement as being any organization. I define the pro-life movement as being people who believe in the sanctity of innocent human life... - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:05:00 CST (0) Well, if the help is immeasurable, why is the rate not decreasing more rapidly? (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 13:52:31 CST (1) My point is that you or anyone else cannot know exactly what people are doing or are failing to do. The law would help a lot to decrease abortion. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/08/2008 10:26:26 CST (0) I think that willingness to help others should be extended by EVERYONE, whether or not they're pro-life....(m) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 09:16:05 CST (1) I don't think that's what Paula said at all. - zookeeper 11/06/2008 11:15:02 CST (1) Well, again I wish I had the time and energy to respond to everything you said here, but...(m) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 14:54:38 CST (1) Yep, that is what I am saying. As for the rest, I'm not sure how you think we're on different pages. I, too, was a teen mom. - zookeeper 11/06/2008 18:49:29 CST (0) Paula, one interesting tidbit... - carlymac 11/06/2008 19:47:37 CST (1) my guess would be>> - nancys6kids1dog 11/07/2008 07:23:52 CST (2) Creative work environments, mandate companies allow for paid family leave (we are one of the few dev countries that dont), company incentives for onsite daycare, adoption, and for crying out loud...WHY does society in general think "35" is still the "cutoff " age for healthy babies and moms? 20 years ago, it was. I would bet not anymore. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:06:01 CST (0) You really think those things would change these women's minds, Stacey? C'mon--you're not that stupid! ITA on the "over 35" point, however! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/08/2008 07:27:58 CST (0) 38. Amazing and Heartwarming Video - leenieseven 11/05/2008 11:15:24 CST (1) Ok, if I said "He wasn't aborted" would it get a response? LOL JUST KIDDING! (nt) - leenieseven 11/06/2008 10:48:17 CST (1) Did you check out the website and myspace page? Incredibly inspiring. (nt) - zookeeper 11/06/2008 12:04:03 CST (0) 37. I can tell that I'm in information overload when I stop reading the articles in the newspaper, and start proofreading them instead. - karin 11/05/2008 10:50:19 CST (1) I love it! "far less better" (hey- it sounds more positive than "worse") (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 20:19:18 CST (1) No no....not "positive"...it's unnegative. Let's try to keep our grammar rules straight. (nt) - karin 11/06/2008 11:20:32 CST (0) 36. The History Channel is running their series "The Presidents" today, twice. It will run in its entirety again from 2pm-8pm, EST. It's a great series. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 10:17:28 CST (2) My 12yo watched these. He's a weird kid but he said they were good. (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 10:18:08 CST (0) Thanks, I'll have to set up the DVR. (nt) - Kendra 11/05/2008 10:19:36 CST (0) 35. Because I'm a *glass half full* kinda gal, I'm trying to focus on the positive things that have come out of this election for my family... - Kendra 11/05/2008 10:08:44 CST (2) Very well said. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/05/2008 10:59:36 CST (0) Yes, this has been a wonderful opportunity for our kids to learn the election process....... - shel 11/05/2008 11:05:51 CST (0) 34. Just got this from DH -Prop 8 (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 10:06:01 CST (1) Great news!! (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 12:30:15 CST (0) 33. Who posted the Advent Conspiracy thing? - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:49:35 CST (2) Somehow I missed the OP on this. I've been wanting to do this for a long time, too. Can't wait to check out the website!! (nt) - Kendra 11/05/2008 10:16:17 CST (0) You are welcome! I still am wondering where it originated. - Debjzunlogged 11/05/2008 14:23:04 CST (0) 32. Because you guys are smart, do any of you know of a vitamin or suppliment to help prevent bladder/kidney infections? (m) (cross posted) - Christine 11/05/2008 09:39:40 CST (3) D manose is a sugar found in fruit(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 09:44:51 CST (1) thanks (nt) - Christine 11/05/2008 14:43:16 CST (0) Cranberry juice, or cranberry pills, do work great. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:50:15 CST (2) yep, cranberry (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 10:16:15 CST (0) thanks (nt) - Christine 11/05/2008 14:43:39 CST (0) vitamin C and (more) - guest 11/05/2008 12:17:18 CST (1) great suggestions, thanks a lot (nt) - Christine 11/05/2008 14:44:09 CST (0) 31. Leenie- do you know the status of Prop 8? What happened? (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:52:53 CST (4) I'm curious, too. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:54:27 CST (0) In Florida, it was question #2...and voters approved the ban. There were plenty of other key state initiatives around the country. Wonder how they all went. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:07:39 CST (0) With 95% of the precincts reporting, *yes* votes were still in the lead. (nt) - Kendra 11/05/2008 09:11:03 CST (0) As of 7:08 a.m. it was 52%-48% in favor, so it looks like it's going to pass. AZ passed prop 102 overwhelmingly (nt) - leenieseven 11/05/2008 09:11:36 CST (0) 30. With all the election hype- it's hard to believe Thanksgiving is right around the corner! Who's got plans? (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 08:49:24 CST (7) My favorite holiday and I'm determined to enjoy it! (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:54:05 CST (1) What do you do that's special, Kristin? I want some fresh ideas! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 09:18:28 CST (1) I don't know if I have any great ideas, but . . . - YankeeMom 11/06/2008 08:20:20 CST (0) We are having (uninvited) company. - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:20:59 CST (1) well, that sounds like fun! - good luck! maybe they'll decide to rent a car after a day or so of sitting in the living room staring at each other! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 09:38:57 CST (0) Well, we are supposed to have my IL's over with my SIL and her boyfriend, BUT... - Kendra 11/05/2008 09:26:34 CST (1) Sounds like we both need to issue a "be on your best behavior or else" edict to our guests! (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:39:30 CST (1) Sounds like the stuff holiday movies are made of. Be sure to take notes so you can write a screenplay! (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:49:24 CST (0) I love Thanksgiving. We'll go to church services Wednesday night, eat on Thursday after a local charity 5k (walk), Friday I'll take the kids to the opening of the ice rink in another town. It's free the first day so often the only time we go. Dh will work. (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 09:34:50 CST (0) ours is rather untraditional - since we have no family, (siblings, cousins, etc)>> - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 09:45:51 CST (0) NO idea! I have two birthdays to "do" just days before. DS will be in Florida and DH's cousin (we've had 3 holidays with them) will be in Australia. - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:58:53 CST (0) We are pulling the kids out of school 2 days early so we can head out west to spend it with my in-laws & all the extended clan which ought to be fun & interesting. There will be 36 people there (that's just dh's parents and siblings plus their families). (nt) - Ranae 11/05/2008 10:38:48 CST (1) Snow out there already. Hope your drive is safe. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 11:48:56 CST (1) In Southern UT? Blanding get little snow (or any moisture for that matter). (nt) - Ranae 11/06/2008 06:18:55 CST (1) Looks like So. Utah is still dry. Here's a link to check out some images. I'd like to twinkle myself to Lake Powell right now. (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 09:53:57 CST (0) 29. On a lighter note....what is the oldest piece of clothing you still own and wear? (m) - shel 11/05/2008 08:41:43 CST (3) I don't have "one". I have several. I JUST got rid of a shirt I had for 20 years. DH has tshirts from high school (again, about 20 yrs.) His underwear...ugh..what is it about men not wanting to buy underwear?! LOL (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 08:48:41 CST (1) I throw dh's underwear away when it starts to get holes and then buy him some new pairs without him realizing it;-) (nt) - shel 11/05/2008 08:53:35 CST (0) My whole wardrobe? I'm still wearing maternity stuff I bought second hand 16 years ago Note I am not pregnant, LOL. I did buy used khaki's from goodwill for church last year. I'm so not fashionable. (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 09:12:57 CST (0) Thanks for making me clean my closet. Brat. My spring trenchcoat is 20 years old, there's a t-shirt from 14 years ago, and I occasionally throw on one of Dad's Korean-war-era army fatigue shirts. (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 11:06:56 CST (0) 28. on a different note, election related - but not directed to any particular candidate... - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 08:19:20 CST (3) I wish they'd do away with electoral votes and just use popular votes...... - shel 11/05/2008 08:27:10 CST (1) Know what I wish - I wish every county in every state had the same voting system. I just about died when I saw that Palm Beach county was having ballot issues because they had their "own" ballot system. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 08:51:48 CST (1) Yeah...I'm almost ashamed to admit that I live in Palm Beach County....... - shel 11/05/2008 08:58:57 CST (0) Are you proposing direct election by popular vote? Or are you suggesting if a state is 60/40 split popular vote, so should be the electoral votes? - zookeeper 11/05/2008 08:45:05 CST (1) I live in Missouri, my vote did not count....MO was too close to call until after all the other states were in and the # of votes needed to win were already won. (nt) - debjzunlogged 11/05/2008 16:45:01 CST (0) My dad told me that the electoral college was the brain child of - debjzunlogged 11/05/2008 16:41:38 CST (1) This is true, It was slightly elitist of them wasn't it? (nt) - zoounlogged 11/05/2008 20:14:42 CST (0) 27. I woke up yesterday terribly depressed. Today I feel better, and I'm actually kinda glad the Democrats won...(m) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 06:46:33 CST (6) That's feeling better? Yikes. Must have been bad yesterday! (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 06:51:54 CST (1) Yeah, it was bad yesterday. The election itself was just a small part of the picture...(m) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 07:28:42 CST (1) I'd say that Bush's Supreme Court appointments were quite stellar. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 07:59:11 CST (0) I agree. I also wonder if he has "buyer's remorse" because, really, who in their right mind wants that job! I know I'd be saying "OMG, what have I done?" (nt) - momto6 11/05/2008 07:03:25 CST (1) I hope Biden's prophecy isn't true and the Obama supporters aren't saying the same thing six months from now, because that would be bad for all of us (nt) - leenieseven 11/05/2008 09:13:55 CST (0) I know just what you mean - lets see that magic wand wave! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 07:17:54 CST (0) Boy, I'd hate to go into this job with the absurdly high expectations that everyone (both Americans and the rest of the world) has for this man. >>> - Kendra 11/05/2008 07:43:35 CST (1) IMO, he's going to have to abandon many of his plans, including universal health care and tax cuts for the "90%." (Due to the economy.) I doubt he'll even be able to repeal the Bush tax cuts (which would, in effect, be a tax increase for all.) I expect, however, that his supporters will still forgive him like they have their Dem-controlled Congress for renigging on their promise to "end the war." (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:02:08 CST (1) Even as of this morning, the media is setting up his safety net, saying that while Obama promises to work for change and the American people want change, the government is unwilling to change - so of course if it doesn't happen, it's certainly not his fault. I gotta tell you, though, if a liberal Democratic president with a Democratic Congress can't institute change, then I don't believe any future candidate will ever be able to run under the same pretexts that Obama has. (nt) - Kendra 11/05/2008 09:03:21 CST (0) What a sad post Jenn(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 08:01:30 CST (2) This is wrong on so many levels. I'll let someone else address it. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:06:59 CST (1) Excuse me Kristen, I realize that you think you are ALWAYS right(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 08:14:10 CST (2) Oh was I wrong in saying that abortion is NOT illegal now(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 08:18:09 CST (1) Well, I'm not in the mood to argue bogus and inflammatory claims, but I did want to acknowledge the fact. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:28:35 CST (0) That is a REALLY mean thing to say.... just because a person feels passionately about their beliefs does not mean they think they're always right. (m) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 10:56:46 CST (1) It's not the views it's the delivery. I shouldn't of said it, I apologize to Kristin. (nt) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 11:14:41 CST (1) But I will add, as I'm feel pretty emotional myself to have my thoughts dismissed with the DUH icon and told I'm just being wrong on so many level was hurtful to me. I reacted in the moment though and that was wrong and I apologize for it. (nt) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 11:19:30 CST (2) I agree, Kathy, that her response was not kind, either. I guess I'm just really hoping that we on this board (m) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 11:46:34 CST (1) Hey Kate(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 11:50:19 CST (1) Thank you so much, Kathy. I posted up above... stress is getting to me this go-round, unfortunately. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 12:36:46 CST (0) I don't think that stating what you said was wrong was unkind -- I found the false accusation against the current (pro-life) administration inflammatory and, though I'm tired of debating that point, wanted to point it out. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 12:33:33 CST (0) Here we go again...I actually tend to agree with Kathy. - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:18:47 CST (2) Agreed. How many times have I said this lately? We spend a disproportionate amount of time on the 9 months in the womb, and then ignoring the next 18 (heck, even 90!) years. I would love to see people switch menality from trying to "fix" the law to trying to "fix" the problems. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 08:23:18 CST (1) I agree with you, but one thing I think is that when you allow abortion to be so accepted....... - shel 11/05/2008 08:51:50 CST (3) I get what you mean. And I agree... - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:59:50 CST (1) No, it's not going too far. Anyone who is pro-choice needs to be informed about what they're choosing--that it's not just a "glob of cells." Just my opinion. (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 09:05:50 CST (2) What if the German people had WATCHED their neighbors' children die at Auschwitz? Would Hitler have been so popular, then? (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 09:16:05 CST (1) Hitler was popular because he brought them out of Depression....m... - dis5girls 11/05/2008 10:21:00 CST (0) Yes, any woman going in for an abortion needs to know but not little kids. We don't teach children not to kill by showing them pictures of people with their heads blown off. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:19:51 CST (2) At least I don't. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:21:33 CST (0) OK, you have a point there. But every adult needs to know, not just those having abortions but also those voting, supporting friends, etc.. (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 09:46:51 CST (1) But thinking about this further, I do have to add that sometimes, we see things much more clearly through our childrens' eyes. (nt) - Nosewiper 11/07/2008 06:20:40 CST (0) I don't think we're too far apart- - zookeeper 11/05/2008 10:10:14 CST (1) That's what I was trying to say(m) - 11ofus 11/05/2008 10:28:32 CST (1) hey- I like that, can I add that to my statement: "We can't just vote, pray, and slap a bumper sticker on our car, to get out of this situation". (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 11:36:11 CST (0) The trouble with abortion . . . . - wildrose 11/05/2008 15:57:13 CST (2) Oops. Forgot to mention . . . (m) - wildrose 11/05/2008 16:09:21 CST (0) Ok- aside from the chuckle I got from "Gramma being put away without anyone noticing"....you gave me a great idea! - zookeeper 11/05/2008 20:29:26 CST (1) Excellent idea! (m) - wildrose 11/05/2008 22:27:56 CST (0) I agree with you, actually, but the way to cure cancer isn't to kill the patient before they're diagnosed. (m) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 09:02:49 CST (2) I'm part of the choir Jenn. I think most of us are... - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:26:33 CST (0) That's not what I said at all. That would imply me saying "go on and abort away, as soon as we fix it up then we'll stop you'. I think we need to stop them now. I just don't see changing a Supreme Court ruling as being the answer. After all, even if there isn't a cure for the patient, there is something we can do to make their quality of life whatever is left, better. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 09:31:17 CST (1) I'm confused, I guess. If you take away someone's life, you can't make whatever's left better. And that Supreme Court ruling was just bad jurisprudence, period...(m) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 10:05:35 CST (2) I'm confused with you. Stacey said flat out she's pro-choice. She supports a woman's right to choose abortion. Then she says she wants to stop abortion, but defended in an earlier thread a woman's choice to have her baby's brains sucked out. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/05/2008 11:20:10 CST (1) It's easy MJ if you turn off the "pro-choice means pro-abortion" filter you have on. I'll break it down for you. - zookeeper 11/05/2008 11:53:16 CST (1) What's clear is that your views are consistently contradictory... - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 00:55:06 CST (4) Where did you get the 1 in 4???? - karin 11/06/2008 07:04:24 CST (1) This to me reads 25%, no?...... - luvinmylife 11/06/2008 16:59:44 CST (1) If you click on the link, it actually says it's 22%. But it says 2% of all women have abortions. So 2% of women account for 22% of the pregnancies?? (nt) - zookeeper 11/06/2008 18:58:09 CST (3) Ugh....after much reading, digging, and thinking, it seems that slightly more than 1 in 5 women have an abortion before the age of 45 (I went with the CDC's stats.) I find that horrifying. - karin 11/06/2008 20:41:22 CST (1) Oh good. It's nice to know I'm not pulling things out of my you know where. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:53:07 CST (1) LOL....I read less than 2% per year and extrapolated that to mean less than 2%. I'm usually better with statistics than that...I must've been tired from all my newspaper editing (apparently a new hobby of mine.) (nt) - karin 11/06/2008 22:20:58 CST (0) According to a July 2008 Guttmacher Institute report, I underestimated the abortion rate. Guttmacher says that at current rates, 1/3 of women will have had an abortion by age 45. (see link) (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:51:16 CST (1) I simply can't wrap my mind around it! Seriously, if you have 3 middle aged women in a room, chances are one of them has had an abortion???? Boggles my mind!!! (nt) - karin 11/06/2008 22:18:45 CST (0) I'm confused? Which link are you saying says 22%? (nt) - luvinmylife 11/06/2008 22:15:06 CST (1) Sorry, I wasn't clear and there are a lot of links flying around. The website you posted, I checked it out on there. - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:10:13 CST (1) Gotcha. Thanks. (nt) - luvinmylife 11/07/2008 09:29:03 CST (0) Judge away MJ. It's what you are really good at. (nt) - zookeeper 11/06/2008 12:08:55 CST (1) You told me that if I disagreed with you to spell it out, so I did... - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:24:20 CST (1) It doesn't matter what YOU define "judging" as, you fit the dictionary definition to at T. Your picture could be alongside it . - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:46:31 CST (2) I have a negative opinion of some of your views which is different from having a negative opinion of you. I want to address this more fully tonight when I expect to have more time. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/07/2008 12:52:28 CST (1) To continue...The reason you find yourself being rebutted so much is because you say a lot to things I think are worth rebutting, and as far as I know, it's not against the rules of play to rebutt others, even frequently... - mirkyunlog 11/08/2008 10:59:08 CST (0) I notice you said nothing about the Constitution once declaring slaves to be3/5 of a person. Since you hold the Constitution to be an authority, would you, had you lived at the time of 3/5, agreed with the Constitution?... - mirkyunlog 11/08/2008 10:52:26 CST (0) Help me, Rhonda!!! You honestly, know the rates of abortions in back alleys? There were actual "books" and "records" kept of back alley abortions? I'm sure it's "your" information", meaning information you pulled out of you know where, the same place where MOST of your stats come from. I don't think the accuracy of your stats can be what I would call "verifiable" considering where they're coming from. That's all, over and out. (nt) - serenunloggd 11/06/2008 13:31:08 CST (1) For the purposes of this debate, I am grateful you are posting for the other side. It would be so mortifying if you were posting for us and making those kinds of comments to Stacey, Paula, and the other ladies. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:12:35 CST (0) Why don't you guys start a Catholic debate board. Sigh (nt) - carlymac 11/06/2008 14:10:38 CST (1) Nah- I just have to learn to accept that some people are better Catholics than others I guess. (nt) - zookeeper 11/07/2008 09:21:49 CST (2) You are just chagrined because it's not you who gets to decide what Catholic doctrine is going to be. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/07/2008 12:48:20 CST (0) Do any Catholics even like each other? (nt) - carlymac 11/07/2008 22:09:04 CST (1) Oh....I'm sure there are some....somewhere. - karin 11/07/2008 23:33:35 CST (0) This made your statement a little clearer to me. - zookeeper 11/05/2008 11:33:39 CST (1) OK, I've got neither the time nor the qualifications to argue Roe further, but I can address your theory about social programs & abortion...(m) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 11:52:13 CST (1) So we have a chicken vs the egg conflict. I think support programs tell women that their unborn children are worthy to us, and that we are willing to fight for them. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 11:55:32 CST (0) You are a lot more optimistic than I am. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:07:50 CST (0) 26. I have a problem (public school- big surprise) about a racial comment a student made in my daughter's class. - zookeeper 11/04/2008 23:10:04 CST (2) I'd mention it to the teacher and see if she can address racism in her class sometime- maybe have the kids do a report on it and leave it at that. Don't tangle with the parents if your DD wasn't directly hurt. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:23:29 CST (0) Stacey.....just wanted to pipe in here - FrankieG 11/05/2008 10:04:03 CST (2) That is really interesting Frankie. It's good to hear another perspective. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 11:00:42 CST (0) That is just awful. Really, it amazes me that there are still so many people today with this frame of mind. (nt) - zookeeper 11/05/2008 11:56:45 CST (0) 25. Something I find disturbing. - karin 11/04/2008 22:52:58 CST (1) Well, congress already had a democratic majority. And as of now, it's not a fillibuster proof majority, so it hasn't changed really. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 23:03:58 CST (0) 24. Retrospective hypothetical musings... - carlymac 11/04/2008 22:05:28 CST (4) Ahem... I'm going to wager that McCain would have had a better chance - zookeeper 11/04/2008 22:11:39 CST (1) ITA! (nt) - karin 11/04/2008 22:42:18 CST (0) I think McCain would've won against Hillary, but she would've beaten anyone else who was in the running. - karin 11/04/2008 22:48:10 CST (1) The right woman though. Not just 'any' woman. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 23:11:13 CST (1) that's want I was going to say - a woman yes - Hillary - not so sure - loved by old white women - disliked by many men (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 07:24:56 CST (0) Am I the only one who loves Sarah Palin? What can I say, always the contrarian. Off to comfort my 16 and 14 yo who look positively dejected. (nt) - joyofsix 11/05/2008 06:21:16 CST (7) you might be! lol - while I would agree w/ many of her moral positions, I don't think she was well enough prepared for the highest office in the land. - not saying it has to be a "Washington insider", but come on, she never even traveled to other countries- there has to be a more experienced palatable woman - not saying she's the ticket, but for example, Condie Rice is certainly more qualified. (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 07:28:02 CST (0) I liked Sarah Palin. I wanted to have a TOK mom in the White House. But I agree with Nancy--the ticket would have had a MUCH better chance with Ms. Rice on it. The thing that ticks me off is that Obama has just about as much experience as Palin, and everyone forgot that point. (nt) - Nosewiper 11/05/2008 07:32:31 CST (1) she doesn't do herself any good when she winks and says "you betcha'" - he is certainly more articulate which certainly creates the image of a more educated and intelligent leader - they kept presenting her as "an average hockey mom" - well I don't want average for a president - or a surgeon, etc - I want excellent! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/05/2008 07:59:07 CST (1) I don't think you got it. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:09:51 CST (1) What didn't she "get"? I cmpletely agree with her- and I'm always right! (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:25:44 CST (1) She didn't get excellence, IMO. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:30:02 CST (1) Hmmm...OK. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:34:34 CST (1) She means Obama isn't excellent. (nt) - leenieseven 11/05/2008 08:35:41 CST (1) Nancy didn't get Obama? (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:41:39 CST (1) She got Obama, but not excellent. (nt) - leenieseven 11/05/2008 08:47:49 CST (1) LOL! I'm so confused! I hope this isn't just another senior moment for me. (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:51:42 CST (1) You guys are KILLIN' me!!! ROTF!!! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/06/2008 19:48:26 CST (0) Well, it's no secret I opposed the choice of Palin from day 1, but I have nothing against her personally and I love her values (I still say she is more qualified to be President than Obama.) (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:11:25 CST (0) I like Palin. (nt) - leenieseven 11/05/2008 08:38:29 CST (0) She'd be a fun neighbor. But I don't want to live next to the White House (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 09:15:42 CST (0) Nope, you're not the only one! I adored her & I think she would have been great in the White House. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/05/2008 10:58:18 CST (0) I like Sarah Palin very, very much. Terrific gal. (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/05/2008 11:16:17 CST (0) I think that the primary elections should be changed to the winner has to carry more than 50% of the vote in each state>> - leenieseven 11/05/2008 08:04:50 CST (2) I agree. Something just didn't seem right about the whole thing- (the primaries and the ultimate two candidates) (nt) - carlymac 11/05/2008 08:11:09 CST (0) I personally would've liked to see Huckabee or Romney instead of McCain...I think they both would've been much better for the economy and other things than either of the candidates we had to choose from. (nt) - shel 11/05/2008 08:34:56 CST (1) At least Huckabee opposed the bailout. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/05/2008 08:36:45 CST (0) 23. its done - they called pennsylvania. (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/04/2008 19:09:04 CST (5) Hey, they called Michigan WEEKS ago! The "good" news is that we're losing electoral votes to Mexico and India...sigh... Hugs to you, Nancy! (nt) - Nosewiper 11/04/2008 20:34:44 CST (1) Hey, and how can they "call" a state with only 11% of precincts reporting? So much I don't get... (nt) - Nosewiper 11/04/2008 20:38:08 CST (1) They put that together with the exit polls and if they line up, they are usually safe in calling it, - 11ofus 11/04/2008 20:43:09 CST (0) Nah -- PA always goes Dem. It's done because McCain lost Ohio. Enjoy your war and recession, Obama. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/04/2008 20:43:45 CST (1) Here's hoping he's everything that "the people" wanted in a president. I sincerely hope that all of the "dirt" dug up on Obama these past few months (m) - kpmomof7 11/04/2008 20:56:06 CST (4) I swear that the channel that i was watching went to a remote shot of a gathering in Kenya and refered to it as "Obama's homeland"! lol (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/04/2008 20:59:09 CST (0) Personally, I think this is going to be a much needed wake up call for this country. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/04/2008 21:23:18 CST (2) I keep thinking of the book of Judges...(m) - Nosewiper 11/04/2008 21:39:15 CST (1) LOL - DH is betting more expensive. He said it was a conspiracy with the oil cos because they wanted the extra $ from McCain's tax plan. I hope he's wrong. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 21:53:12 CST (0) Well let's just remember the last 8 years have been under a republican watch - 11ofus 11/04/2008 21:52:50 CST (2) I put a lot of blame for this outcome on the Republicans, including Bush. (nt) - YankeeMom 11/04/2008 21:57:38 CST (0) Agreed 100%. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 22:08:46 CST (0) Why the quotes around "the people" ? (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 21:30:00 CST (2) Doh!!!! Guess I should've refreshed the page before posting! (nt) - karin 11/04/2008 22:08:50 CST (0) Read what I wrote to Karin. I didn't feel comfortable saying "Democrats" since I'm sure there were some Republicans who voted for Obama, too. (m) - kpmomof7 11/04/2008 22:23:19 CST (1) Absolutely! - karin 11/04/2008 22:34:13 CST (0) "the people"????? - karin 11/04/2008 22:07:59 CST (1) I'm referring to the majority of our population... as in "We the people of the United States of America..." Nothing more than that. Don't try to read anything into it. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/04/2008 22:18:38 CST (0) We were watching the CNN website and they called the election even before our polls closed. And GA still only had 1% of their precints reporting. It is amazing that the media declared a winner so early. (nt) - gelsum 11/04/2008 21:14:46 CST (0) I would like to see how wide the gap becomes. And trust me, nobody is calling it....even the pundits of MSNBC (left leaning) as of right now are still cautious. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 21:38:06 CST (1) MSNBC has proclaimed Obama the winner & said McCain called him to concede & offer congratulations. (nt) - kpmomof7 11/04/2008 22:25:24 CST (2) I see it. All the sites and station affiliates are now calling it. (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 22:40:38 CST (0) And having canvassed for the Obama campaign and attended the rally, I am particularly happy we carried FL! (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 22:41:48 CST (0) Well shucks! The party's almost over. Now what are we going to talk about? Can you believe we hit over 450 postings and it's only Tues? (nt) - carlymac 11/04/2008 22:26:25 CST (1) LOL....I've been staying out of most of the politcal stuff....'cause I'm just not that eloquent, but I've sure enjoyed reading the threads! - karin 11/04/2008 22:37:59 CST (1) Nah...he's got to build his administration now. We can talk about that! (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 23:29:17 CST (0) 22. How Not To Think About The Election: Another desperate prayer request from the land of the Penniless and Impoverished. (m) - Nosewiper 11/04/2008 18:39:36 CST (7) oh, I'm sorry - all that paperwork is enough to drive anyone crazy! - and just think, we're nearing the time for 1040s and FAFSAs! lol - praying you get quick and positive resolution!! (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/04/2008 18:57:17 CST (0) Ack!!! Prayers that it all gets worked out quickly. (nt) - Denise1066 11/04/2008 19:42:59 CST (0) I'm sorry seems so minor compared to what is going on (m) - Christine 11/04/2008 21:07:10 CST (0) Oh my stars! What a mess. Ya, you lost me but I'll still offer up some prayers that whatever the problem is will get resolved. (nt) - carlymac 11/04/2008 21:49:49 CST (0) Oy! What a mess! And way to go to you for maintaining the wherewithal to hastily pull it all together! Praying for you both to breathe easy soon! (nt) - zookeeper 11/04/2008 21:50:59 CST (0) UGH!!!!! Prayers for you guys! (nt) - karin 11/04/2008 22:11:59 CST (0) (((HUGS))) (nt) - mirkyunlog 11/06/2008 20:29:39 CST (0) 21. OK, so I was just researching the state congressman that I don't particularly like to double check things, and found - gelsum- 11/04/2008 15:59:37 CST (2) My oh my! I hope they live up to their names! (nt) - leenieseven 11/04/2008 18:06:50 CST (0) No Brigham? - carlymac 11/04/2008 22:10:13 CST (0) 20. So, Jenn, Ranae, anyone... what's for dinner? (nt) - nancys6kids1dog 11/04/2008 12:51:29 CST (9) Two things fell out the freezer. One package